Panasonic AF100 Recording Options (Atomos, AJA and the like)

The more I use my AJA Ki Pro Mini, the more annoyed I get with it. It doesn’t do anything wrong, per se, or even anything poorly, but its workflow requires a little too much effort for my tastes.

For instance, I really wish it recorded to SSD instead of Compact Flash. I would be happy with one SSD port. But, the thing that really bothers me is how it is so easy to lose recorded clips if you lose power to the unit or if the CF card gets pulled before it has been unmounted. Essentially, the cards mount just like a Mac volume, and if they get yanked without first unmounting them by hitting the SLOT button, then you will assuredly lose at least the last two or three clips that were written to the card. This means that you have to unmount and remount the card after every take if you want to make sure you never lose a file. Too much trouble on a busy set. Plus, someone will inevitably pull power to the unit on occasion, which also really hoses it up.

I think I’m going to order an Atomos Samurai when they start shipping this summer. I glanced at it and talked to the dev team at NAB earlier this year, and the little box shows great promise indeed. I can’t wait to get my hands on one. Has anyone used the Atomos Ninja with an AF100 with good results? How do you handle recording 24p thru the HDMI port? Do you have to do a pulldown in post, and if so, do you see motion jutter? Please let me know, and if you can, send a link to some clips. I wonder if the Ninja would be a good substitute until the Samurai comes out.

4 thoughts on “Panasonic AF100 Recording Options (Atomos, AJA and the like)”

  1. Perdonadme por mi inglés que es muy malo y tengo que usar el traductor de google. Yo tengo una “af-101” y un atomos ninja y el resultado no es malo, pero hay que ajustar bien las “scenes files” ya que con las opciones que lleva de fábrica genera ruido en la salida de HDMI. No es mucho ruido, pero suficiente para que veas una diferencia importante entre el codec AVCHD de la cámara y el footage del ninja.

    Yo creo que la razón es por el muestreo, la salida hdmi saca 8 bits y el atomos ninja muestrea a 10bits hay dos bits de información de sobran. Para poder grabar el ninja tiene que inventarse esa información y por eso vemos ese ruido. La forma que tengo de evitarlo es ajustar las “scenes files”. Os pongo los valores que yo he usado.:

    Detail: -5
    V. Detail: -5
    Detail Coring: +2
    Chroma Level: 0
    Master Ped: -2
    Gamma: Cine V
    Matrix: Norm 2

    estos valores los he sacado de la web AbelCine y la verdad que me han ido muy bien.

    http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/04/06/af100-scene-files-created-by-abelcine/

    espero que os haya servido. un saludo

  2. Forgive me my English is very bad and I have to use the google translator. I have an “af-101” and a ninja atoms and the result is not bad, but you have to adjust either the “scenes files” as the leading factory options generates noise in the HDMI output. Not much noise, but enough to see a major difference between the AVCHD codec of the camera and the footage of the ninja.

    I think the reason is sampling, hdmi output 8 bits out and sampled at 10bits ninja atoms there are two bits of information abound. To record the ninja has to make up that information and so we see that noise. The way I have to avoid it is to adjust the “scenes files”. I put the values ​​I’ve used.:

    Detail: -5
    V. Detail: -5
    Detail Coring: +2
    Chroma Level: 0
    Master Ped: -2
    Gamma: Cine V
    Matrix Norm 2

    these values ​​have taken the web AbelCine and I really have done very well.

    http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/04/06/af100-scene-files-created-by-abelcine/

    I hope you have served. greetings

    1. Daniel,

      Thank you for commenting! I am not certain that the issue of extra noise in the HDMI recording is due to 8-bit sampling, as the HD-SDI signal out is also sampled at 8-bits. I record to an AJA Ki Pro Mini with HD-SDI; I have not tried to record with HDMI.

      Do you have any sample video that compares the two results? I would like to see the difference.

      1. I am preparing a video to send to the store where I bought the ninja atoms in order to return. I want to buy the AJA ki mini pro, I can send you material directly from the atoms without prodecesar ninja and you can send footage of the AJA and we can see the differences.

        Comparing the images with a video of one is not no difference between AVCHD and ninja proress at least when we stopped the image, I see the difference when the video is play. I see a little more image noise and very fast. I find that when I export the video to view it as a format for H264 or MPEG4 that noise is less obvious.

        This week I will upload some files or ftp so you can download.

        GREETINGS

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